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	<title>Comments on: plugging into black holes</title>
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		<title>By: gfish</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, particle beams are made of bits of matter larger than the black hole and by the time the beam actually gets to the singularity, it could evaporate away.



So your best hope might be to try and create a micro black hole by aiming two very powerful particle beams at each other and to keep firing until the black hole is either vaporized or starts to stabilize itself.



Then we&#039;d have the additional problem of expending enough energy to maintain a pair of 1 TeV particle beams and get almost nothing out of the black hole we&#039;re trying to feed. In order to be a viable energy source, it would have to give out between 15 and 25 times the energy we put into it. In reality, it would probably give us something a minuscule whisper of the energy we put into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, particle beams are made of bits of matter larger than the black hole and by the time the beam actually gets to the singularity, it could evaporate away.</p>
<p>So your best hope might be to try and create a micro black hole by aiming two very powerful particle beams at each other and to keep firing until the black hole is either vaporized or starts to stabilize itself.</p>
<p>Then we&#8217;d have the additional problem of expending enough energy to maintain a pair of 1 TeV particle beams and get almost nothing out of the black hole we&#8217;re trying to feed. In order to be a viable energy source, it would have to give out between 15 and 25 times the energy we put into it. In reality, it would probably give us something a minuscule whisper of the energy we put into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking something like aiming a precisely targeted particle beam at it, or even an atom laser - it wouldn&#039;t have to trap anything, the mass would simply dash up to it and glom on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking something like aiming a precisely targeted particle beam at it, or even an atom laser &#8211; it wouldn&#8217;t have to trap anything, the mass would simply dash up to it and glom on.</p>
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		<title>By: gfish</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julian,



Ah, that&#039;s a tricky one. Like noted in the article, the micro black hole can&#039;t even trap a proton in its event horizon so it might have to be fed something even more basic like a quark-gluon plasma that&#039;s incredibly difficult to make and would exist for just an instant. It would be very difficult to give the micro singularity enough matter to feed on before it evaporates.



Tapping Hawking radiation for energy is something I haven&#039;t heard of but it&#039;s a really interesting idea. The problem is that Hawking radiation relies on disturbances of the space-time mesh on a quantum level. Ordinarily, particles appearing out of nothing vanish into nothing almost instantly and black holes break that balance.



We would have something like the zero point energy concept on our hands and I&#039;m not sure how it could work. The yield would probably be very, very small or else the energy would&#039;ve obliterated the whole universe by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian,</p>
<p>Ah, that&#8217;s a tricky one. Like noted in the article, the micro black hole can&#8217;t even trap a proton in its event horizon so it might have to be fed something even more basic like a quark-gluon plasma that&#8217;s incredibly difficult to make and would exist for just an instant. It would be very difficult to give the micro singularity enough matter to feed on before it evaporates.</p>
<p>Tapping Hawking radiation for energy is something I haven&#8217;t heard of but it&#8217;s a really interesting idea. The problem is that Hawking radiation relies on disturbances of the space-time mesh on a quantum level. Ordinarily, particles appearing out of nothing vanish into nothing almost instantly and black holes break that balance.</p>
<p>We would have something like the zero point energy concept on our hands and I&#8217;m not sure how it could work. The yield would probably be very, very small or else the energy would&#8217;ve obliterated the whole universe by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Morrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about feeding it a continuous stream of matter, and tapping off the Hawking radiation? Don&#039;t let it either collapse of grow. Keep it in a steady state of emitting as much as it&#039;s fed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about feeding it a continuous stream of matter, and tapping off the Hawking radiation? Don&#8217;t let it either collapse of grow. Keep it in a steady state of emitting as much as it&#8217;s fed.</p>
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		<title>By: dad2059</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &quot;&lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt;&quot; an amateur science fiction writer.



Just sundowning G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I &#8220;<i>am</i>&#8221; an amateur science fiction writer.</p>
<p>Just sundowning G.</p>
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		<title>By: dad2059</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Study of black holes is intensely interesting for me because I an amateur science fiction writer and it&#039;s a great plot device.



We might not be able to built micro-blackhole reactors, now, or in the millennia from now, but I could see us, or an analog thereof using natural blackholes as an energy source.



As for these fear-mongers who yap about the LHC bringing the End, they&#039;re just upholding a centuries long tradition of being ignorant.



Or just drawing attention to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Study of black holes is intensely interesting for me because I an amateur science fiction writer and it&#8217;s a great plot device.</p>
<p>We might not be able to built micro-blackhole reactors, now, or in the millennia from now, but I could see us, or an analog thereof using natural blackholes as an energy source.</p>
<p>As for these fear-mongers who yap about the LHC bringing the End, they&#8217;re just upholding a centuries long tradition of being ignorant.</p>
<p>Or just drawing attention to themselves.</p>
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