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		<title>By: Patrick Burks</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/05/15/what-does-it-take-to-get-a-warp-drive/#comment-8116</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Burks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 00:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do real scientists have to burst my bubble(get it warp bubble).   I wanted a ship that would do the Kessel Run in 2 parsecs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do real scientists have to burst my bubble(get it warp bubble).   I wanted a ship that would do the Kessel Run in 2 parsecs.</p>
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		<title>By: Loeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking of simple solutions, we could just increase the speed of light.

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking of simple solutions, we could just increase the speed of light.</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be wrong on this but if there is nothing in space than how can you not go the speed of light. there is nothing to stop you. no gravity, no friction, nothining. time is relative, even if if you travel at warp speed it still takes time to get somewere. I think that people always look for the hardest thing instead of the simple solution to the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be wrong on this but if there is nothing in space than how can you not go the speed of light. there is nothing to stop you. no gravity, no friction, nothining. time is relative, even if if you travel at warp speed it still takes time to get somewere. I think that people always look for the hardest thing instead of the simple solution to the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first read about this a couple months ago, there were a lot of comments by folks on how these potential problems might be overcome.



First, on the Hawking radiation issue, there were several seemingly plausible solutions proposed to either avoid or shield against this.



Regarding what happens when the bubble &quot;pops&quot; - there is no &quot;momentum&quot; to be preserved, as the ship is sitting stationary in space-time inside the bubble (this is why you would not feel any crushing G-forces when using a warp drive).  This also allows a warp-drive ship to avoid the nasty time-related problems that normally result from near lightspeed travel through normal space.



Of the other two possibilities you suggest, I guess that would depend on how the bubble came apart.  According to the traditional &quot;Star Trek&quot; approach, a warp field collapse would typically simply drop the ship into normal space-time at that location (if you were a warp drive design engineer, I suppose that one of your first tasks would be to design the warp field so that it would lean towards collapsing in a non-destructive manner!)



On the possible warp bubble instability issue, it has been suggested that the solution may simply be to devise a control mechanism to adjust the bubble to dynamically compensate for any instabilities, sufficiently fast enough to prevent a complete collapse (or just tell Scotty to &quot;Stabilize the warp field, dammit!&quot;)



But even if you were dropped into normal space, as long as your warp drive was not destroyed in the process, you would not be &quot;stranded&quot; in the vastness of space as described, as you could simply re-create the field and continue on your journey!



If the designers of early generations of &quot;warp drives&quot; found long-term stability of the warp bubble unobtainable with their current level of technology, what you would end up with something that has also already been contemplated in the sci-fi realm - an FTL drive that simply requires interstellar travel to be divided into discrete &quot;hops&quot;.



Of course, this is all based on our present understanding of physics - to a starfaring civilization with the technological capabilities to warp space, even our present theoretical understanding of this topic would appear like savage apes trying to understand quantum gravity, barely beyond walking upright, stone tools and the invention of fire!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first read about this a couple months ago, there were a lot of comments by folks on how these potential problems might be overcome.</p>
<p>First, on the Hawking radiation issue, there were several seemingly plausible solutions proposed to either avoid or shield against this.</p>
<p>Regarding what happens when the bubble &#8220;pops&#8221; &#8211; there is no &#8220;momentum&#8221; to be preserved, as the ship is sitting stationary in space-time inside the bubble (this is why you would not feel any crushing G-forces when using a warp drive).  This also allows a warp-drive ship to avoid the nasty time-related problems that normally result from near lightspeed travel through normal space.</p>
<p>Of the other two possibilities you suggest, I guess that would depend on how the bubble came apart.  According to the traditional &#8220;Star Trek&#8221; approach, a warp field collapse would typically simply drop the ship into normal space-time at that location (if you were a warp drive design engineer, I suppose that one of your first tasks would be to design the warp field so that it would lean towards collapsing in a non-destructive manner!)</p>
<p>On the possible warp bubble instability issue, it has been suggested that the solution may simply be to devise a control mechanism to adjust the bubble to dynamically compensate for any instabilities, sufficiently fast enough to prevent a complete collapse (or just tell Scotty to &#8220;Stabilize the warp field, dammit!&#8221;)</p>
<p>But even if you were dropped into normal space, as long as your warp drive was not destroyed in the process, you would not be &#8220;stranded&#8221; in the vastness of space as described, as you could simply re-create the field and continue on your journey!</p>
<p>If the designers of early generations of &#8220;warp drives&#8221; found long-term stability of the warp bubble unobtainable with their current level of technology, what you would end up with something that has also already been contemplated in the sci-fi realm &#8211; an FTL drive that simply requires interstellar travel to be divided into discrete &#8220;hops&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course, this is all based on our present understanding of physics &#8211; to a starfaring civilization with the technological capabilities to warp space, even our present theoretical understanding of this topic would appear like savage apes trying to understand quantum gravity, barely beyond walking upright, stone tools and the invention of fire!</p>
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		<title>By: Torbjrn Larsson, OM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torbjrn Larsson, OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 15:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with computer scientist Aaronson in this. All faster than light travel is likely prohibited since it would mean time travel by way of timelike causal loops, and time travel is in Aaronson&#039;s testable hypothesis prohibited. It would break the Church-Turing thesis of maximum capable computing. If C-T thesis is incorrect, we would see the physical world, based on algorithmic strength processes (well, duh), solve NP-complete problems fast which it observationally doesn&#039;t. Or in other words, if ftl existed we would know everything. We don&#039;t, so it doesn&#039;t.



Some physicist noted that warp drives actually doesn&#039;t solve how to get around special relativity. All ftl solutions are based on having the warp bubble (and all its content) traveling ftl in the first place. So they aren&#039;t physically realizable anyway.



&quot;exploring even 1% of the galaxy would take eons&quot;



Not really, I believe reproductive probes using known (but not demonstrated) feasible drives have been shown to cover the galaxy in 500 000 years. That is way longer than the typical species lifetime of course, but that isn&#039;t a problem if the populations which benefit travel with, or in close association to, the probes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with computer scientist Aaronson in this. All faster than light travel is likely prohibited since it would mean time travel by way of timelike causal loops, and time travel is in Aaronson&#8217;s testable hypothesis prohibited. It would break the Church-Turing thesis of maximum capable computing. If C-T thesis is incorrect, we would see the physical world, based on algorithmic strength processes (well, duh), solve NP-complete problems fast which it observationally doesn&#8217;t. Or in other words, if ftl existed we would know everything. We don&#8217;t, so it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Some physicist noted that warp drives actually doesn&#8217;t solve how to get around special relativity. All ftl solutions are based on having the warp bubble (and all its content) traveling ftl in the first place. So they aren&#8217;t physically realizable anyway.</p>
<p>&#8220;exploring even 1% of the galaxy would take eons&#8221;</p>
<p>Not really, I believe reproductive probes using known (but not demonstrated) feasible drives have been shown to cover the galaxy in 500 000 years. That is way longer than the typical species lifetime of course, but that isn&#8217;t a problem if the populations which benefit travel with, or in close association to, the probes.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Kuha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Kuha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what sort of mechanism could transform Jupiter into pure energy.  Maybe if you had a an anti-Jupiter to collide with it, you could use the resulting energy to create the bubble.  You&#039;d then only need half of a Jupiter and half of an anti-Jupiter to achieve warp velocity.



Bummer, man.  Maybe you&#039;re right though in the last paragraph and we&#039;ll find some other phenomenon to break the speed-of-light limit.  Thanks for the excellent article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what sort of mechanism could transform Jupiter into pure energy.  Maybe if you had a an anti-Jupiter to collide with it, you could use the resulting energy to create the bubble.  You&#8217;d then only need half of a Jupiter and half of an anti-Jupiter to achieve warp velocity.</p>
<p>Bummer, man.  Maybe you&#8217;re right though in the last paragraph and we&#8217;ll find some other phenomenon to break the speed-of-light limit.  Thanks for the excellent article.</p>
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		<title>By: Scientia Pro Publica is up &#171; Evolving Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scientia Pro Publica is up &#171; Evolving Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 19:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; on behavioural conditioning of the immune system. Among my favorites in this edition are a post by [weird things] on how a warp drive might work and another by biotunes about the evidence against [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; on behavioural conditioning of the immune system. Among my favorites in this edition are a post by [weird things] on how a warp drive might work and another by biotunes about the evidence against [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sophie's Ladder. Christian theology, philosophy, world religions, science.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophie's Ladder. Christian theology, philosophy, world religions, science.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The release of the film Star Trek has reinvigorated talk of interstellar and intergalactic flight and the engines needed to get us there. Check out gfish&#8217;s discussion on Weird Things about possible problems - Hawking radiation, for example - .... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The release of the film Star Trek has reinvigorated talk of interstellar and intergalactic flight and the engines needed to get us there. Check out gfish&#8217;s discussion on Weird Things about possible problems &#8211; Hawking radiation, for example &#8211; &#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>gfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, it looks like I got a little mixed up in my relativities. That&#039;s what I get for editing my posts late at night...



The mislabeling has now been fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, it looks like I got a little mixed up in my relativities. That&#8217;s what I get for editing my posts late at night&#8230;</p>
<p>The mislabeling has now been fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: ColonelFazackerlely</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColonelFazackerlely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 12:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm, special relativity is the more restrictive, simpler and first published theory. It applies to things moving at constant velocity, says nothing about gravity etc.



General relativity is the fancier one.



I think you misused &quot;special&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm, special relativity is the more restrictive, simpler and first published theory. It applies to things moving at constant velocity, says nothing about gravity etc.</p>
<p>General relativity is the fancier one.</p>
<p>I think you misused &#8220;special&#8221;.</p>
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