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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/06/27/dont-wind-back-the-clock-on-medicine/#comment-6974</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your sentiment.

But the anti-new age backlash can be a bit like throwing out the baby with the bathwater (in most cases not, but sometimes 

We&#039;ve seen it before, for example, with lucid dreaming, where scientists in the 1960s vehemently denied that such a phenomenon occurred, mostly due to its association with hippies and spiritual thinkers.

But a scientific hypothesis is a scientific hypothesis--Just as Richard Feynman gave parapsychology the benefit of the doubt and went to experience for himself if Uri Geller could bend spoons with his mind (this was notoriously not replicated in front of Feynman). A scientific hypotheses should be treated on merits of science regardless of its fanatical association.

Another example is this whole vaccine movement. The motives and agendas behind the movement seem fairly characteristic of pseudoscience, but the hypothesis that a variable X (in this case, vaccination) could have a statistical association with outcome Y (in this case, autism) is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis that can be tested on scientific merit. I don&#039;t really follow the ordeal, nor care about it, so I don&#039;t know if peer-reviewed studies have been published on the matter. I&#039;m assuming they have, and I&#039;d guess the results were negative.

In the case of alternative medicine, I&#039;m assuming a lot of it is pseudoscience. I&#039;m sure a lot of it is quackery. I&#039;m sure a lot of it talks about &quot;quantum mechanics&quot; and &quot;energy fields&quot; and &quot;waves&quot;. But let&#039;s not force a dichotomy.

There&#039;s plenty of pseudoscience in &quot;real&quot; medicine as well. Dig into the medical literature. The most notorious is the Ancel Keys study, which gave rise to the &quot;fat is bad&quot; meme. He removed outliers that really weren&#039;t outliers just so he could publish a weak correlation between fat intake and heart disease. The ensuing lipid hypothesis continues to be dogmatically accepted by most doctors, despite the fact that it&#039;s never been proven. I could go on, but I don&#039;t want to write a book here.

I think you get my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your sentiment.</p>
<p>But the anti-new age backlash can be a bit like throwing out the baby with the bathwater (in most cases not, but sometimes </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen it before, for example, with lucid dreaming, where scientists in the 1960s vehemently denied that such a phenomenon occurred, mostly due to its association with hippies and spiritual thinkers.</p>
<p>But a scientific hypothesis is a scientific hypothesis&#8211;Just as Richard Feynman gave parapsychology the benefit of the doubt and went to experience for himself if Uri Geller could bend spoons with his mind (this was notoriously not replicated in front of Feynman). A scientific hypotheses should be treated on merits of science regardless of its fanatical association.</p>
<p>Another example is this whole vaccine movement. The motives and agendas behind the movement seem fairly characteristic of pseudoscience, but the hypothesis that a variable X (in this case, vaccination) could have a statistical association with outcome Y (in this case, autism) is a perfectly reasonable hypothesis that can be tested on scientific merit. I don&#8217;t really follow the ordeal, nor care about it, so I don&#8217;t know if peer-reviewed studies have been published on the matter. I&#8217;m assuming they have, and I&#8217;d guess the results were negative.</p>
<p>In the case of alternative medicine, I&#8217;m assuming a lot of it is pseudoscience. I&#8217;m sure a lot of it is quackery. I&#8217;m sure a lot of it talks about &#8220;quantum mechanics&#8221; and &#8220;energy fields&#8221; and &#8220;waves&#8221;. But let&#8217;s not force a dichotomy.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty of pseudoscience in &#8220;real&#8221; medicine as well. Dig into the medical literature. The most notorious is the Ancel Keys study, which gave rise to the &#8220;fat is bad&#8221; meme. He removed outliers that really weren&#8217;t outliers just so he could publish a weak correlation between fat intake and heart disease. The ensuing lipid hypothesis continues to be dogmatically accepted by most doctors, despite the fact that it&#8217;s never been proven. I could go on, but I don&#8217;t want to write a book here.</p>
<p>I think you get my point.</p>
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		<title>By: colin</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/06/27/dont-wind-back-the-clock-on-medicine/#comment-6874</link>
		<dc:creator>colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>although i agree about not using &quot;natural&quot; medicines all the time, certain &quot;real&quot; medicines like hand sanitizer are making things worse with stuff like the super bugs, and i have seen the potency of natural medicines on things like backaches and headaches and although minor they can be life altering, and until they are studied more we shouldn&#039;t pooh-pooh them off-hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>although i agree about not using &#8220;natural&#8221; medicines all the time, certain &#8220;real&#8221; medicines like hand sanitizer are making things worse with stuff like the super bugs, and i have seen the potency of natural medicines on things like backaches and headaches and although minor they can be life altering, and until they are studied more we shouldn&#8217;t pooh-pooh them off-hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Abber</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/06/27/dont-wind-back-the-clock-on-medicine/#comment-5669</link>
		<dc:creator>Abber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as you described in your opening paragraph, you&#039;ve probably confirmed the views of most readers here and possibly swayed a couple of neutral observers. Unfortunately you&#039;ve probably failed to influence the thinking of anyone who started out with the opposing viewpoint and they are the ones who allow pseudo-scientific nonsense about medicine to perpetuate. A great article nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as you described in your opening paragraph, you&#8217;ve probably confirmed the views of most readers here and possibly swayed a couple of neutral observers. Unfortunately you&#8217;ve probably failed to influence the thinking of anyone who started out with the opposing viewpoint and they are the ones who allow pseudo-scientific nonsense about medicine to perpetuate. A great article nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Amadan</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/06/27/dont-wind-back-the-clock-on-medicine/#comment-5668</link>
		<dc:creator>Amadan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forrester&#039;s &#039;live-and-let-live&#039; approach is fine until opinion is peddled as fact. As between you and me, you&#039;re welcome to your choice. But when (as often happens to parents, governments etc ) you are in a position of having to decide what&#039;s best for someone who can&#039;t do so for themself, equal right to an opinion doesn&#039;t mean equal validity of opinion. You&#039;re entitled to your view, but not your own facts.



That&#039;s where the &#039;But It&#039;s Natural&#039; brigade press the emotion buttons, because they don&#039;t have facts and they can&#039;t afford to admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forrester&#8217;s &#8216;live-and-let-live&#8217; approach is fine until opinion is peddled as fact. As between you and me, you&#8217;re welcome to your choice. But when (as often happens to parents, governments etc ) you are in a position of having to decide what&#8217;s best for someone who can&#8217;t do so for themself, equal right to an opinion doesn&#8217;t mean equal validity of opinion. You&#8217;re entitled to your view, but not your own facts.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s where the &#8216;But It&#8217;s Natural&#8217; brigade press the emotion buttons, because they don&#8217;t have facts and they can&#8217;t afford to admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: gfish</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/06/27/dont-wind-back-the-clock-on-medicine/#comment-5665</link>
		<dc:creator>gfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>musubk,



Alternative medicine proponents call things &quot;natural&quot; for marketing purposes and to set up the above mentioned false dichotomy. Potential patients are lead to believe that because it has that green label on it, whatever is inside must be better for you than any of those &lt;a href=&quot;http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/05/07/what-exactly-do-you-mean-by-natural/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;scary sounding chemicals&lt;/a&gt; made in pharmacology labs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>musubk,</p>
<p>Alternative medicine proponents call things &#8220;natural&#8221; for marketing purposes and to set up the above mentioned false dichotomy. Potential patients are lead to believe that because it has that green label on it, whatever is inside must be better for you than any of those <a href="http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/05/07/what-exactly-do-you-mean-by-natural/" rel="nofollow">scary sounding chemicals</a> made in pharmacology labs.</p>
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		<title>By: musubk</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/06/27/dont-wind-back-the-clock-on-medicine/#comment-5666</link>
		<dc:creator>musubk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What they call &#039;natural&#039; is just arbitrary anyways. What, are the drug companies making medicine supernaturally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What they call &#8216;natural&#8217; is just arbitrary anyways. What, are the drug companies making medicine supernaturally?</p>
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		<title>By: Forrester McLeod</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/06/27/dont-wind-back-the-clock-on-medicine/#comment-5667</link>
		<dc:creator>Forrester McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This falls into the same category as religious and political beliefs for me.  To each his own.  What could be more personal than our bodies and how to care for them?  It&#039;s great that you know where you stand.  It&#039;s got to be frustrating beyond imagining for people who encounter disease and are torn as to which way to turn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This falls into the same category as religious and political beliefs for me.  To each his own.  What could be more personal than our bodies and how to care for them?  It&#8217;s great that you know where you stand.  It&#8217;s got to be frustrating beyond imagining for people who encounter disease and are torn as to which way to turn.</p>
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