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there's a reason why we call it evidence…

2009 July 12

When you write about religious affairs with a skeptical eye, you’re bound to get plenty of negative feedback. It’s inevitable and expected. But more often then not, I’m surprised at just how similar those criticisms can be. For traditions with centuries upon centuries of argumentative material to fall back on, there’s not much variety in a standard reply from someone who thinks you’ve offended his or her faith by questioning how it applies to what we know about the modern world. For example, this comment is an ideal representative of what those replies typically sound like. And because I’m an evil science writer, I’m going to go through it point by point…

The search for truth requires an open mind otherwise scientific observations are mere opinions.

Let’s stop at the search for truth part. Science is constantly looking for objective evidence as to how everything we know came to be the way it is and how it works. In order to stay objective, it requires tangible proof that can be independently repeated and confirmed and the same standard applies to scientific observations. Seeing a particular star being born in a nebula thousands of light years form Earth isn’t an opinion. Everyone who has a telescope powerful enough can go out and see the same thing. Then, based on what they see, they can come up with a model of how stars are born, each part of the model being observable, verifiable and backed up with a whole lot of numbers. Mere opinion? I beg to differ.

Your statement, Humans are products of natural selection which means that who and what we are was shaped by climate change, predation and genetic drifts over the millions of years that our branch of the evolutionary tree split from early hominids and ended up with us is obviously your dogma.

Really? Because I have a few hundred fossils, extensive tomes of genetic studies and volumes of papers that were reviewed by countless experts who deal with every facet of human evolution backing me up. Like I said in the previous paragraph, it’s not just an opinion when you can summon plenty of proof for your position. When presented with fossils and countless academic studies you could plug your years, shut your eyes and shout until your vocal cords break from the strain lest you hear an expert talking, then dismiss everything you saw as nothing more than a dogma. But all you’ll be doing by that is demonstrating your immunity to objective facts. I made a statement based on evidence. To dismiss it out of hand after declaring that we should all have open minds in “the search for truth” is paradoxically close-minded.

Denying a creator flies in the face of reason and intelligence and defines a fool who has said in his heart that there is no God.

Take note my fellow heathens and heretics. If we don’t believe in his ideology, we’re all unreasonable fools. If only we were blessed with sufficient intellect, only then we would realize that it makes perfect sense that we’re all in communion with a creature we can’t see, hear, smell or taste and who’s effects we can’t detect with even the slightest bit of certainty. Evidence? Proof? Confirmation? Foolish mortals! Don’t you know that the almighty deity in question is not to be tested by our pitiful instruments? You’re just beggiing for eternal hellfire!

All right, I’ll stop now, I promise. But my point remains. Going around and arbitrarily slapping labels of dogma and reason according to one’s personal opinion rather than the weight of tangible evidence behind the object or idea being slapped with that label, is perhaps one of the highest forms of intellectual laziness. As a person with a scientific mindset, I have absolutely no problem with the idea of a deity. I just need proof. And not all the fluff we typically hear about how God is in the laughter of children (that’s endorphins) or in the greenness of a blade of grass (that’s chlorophyll) but something we could confirm and analyze. Until then, all they have is faith and that doesn’t have enough weight in the objective world.

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  1. July 12, 2009

    Why do these types of people find it necessary to post on a blog that deals with science. If they don’t believe in for example, evolution even though there is mountains of evidence it is of course their choice. But, they should not assume that everyone with a differing view point is wrong. It also makes me think that the dark ages don’t seem that far away, with heretics and anyone too curious getting burned at the stake.

  2. Pierce R. Butler permalink
    July 12, 2009

    … is obviously your dogma.

    We can at least agree that the word “dogma” stands for something disreputable and undesirable.

  3. July 12, 2009

    It amazes me that so many people adopt the attitude of “fight dogma with dogma”. Even though they don’t seem entirely certain what dogma is…

  4. reggie permalink
    July 12, 2009

    I wouldn’t have a problem with a deity, either. Unless it were the Judeo-Christian one. He’s a jerk and I’d kick him in the coin purse.

    I do love the game that people like this play, doing things like ignore evidence or keeping a closed mind and then accusing everyone of else of these actions.

  5. July 13, 2009

    Second paragraph, “tangible poor” should be “tangible proof.” But that’s merely my opinion.

    Terrific essay. You should write for Skeptical Inquirer.

  6. Thorne permalink
    July 13, 2009

    @Bellatrixlestar (MJ): “But, they should not assume that everyone with a differing view point is wrong.”

    These kinds of people HAVE to believe that we are wrong. Otherwise, their view is wrong, and that is unacceptable to them.

  7. jypson permalink
    July 13, 2009

    Amen

  8. July 14, 2009

    It’s that projection thing, they know their beliefs are merely faith-based so they see that in others. The argument style of accusing others of also being guilty of your own flaws rather than fixing those flaws is a curious one.

    From PZ Myers just the other day:

    We atheists and scientists have ideas that we are expected to explain and support with evidence, and we are accustomed to being jumped on with sadistic vigor if we fail to provide it. We merely apply the same methodological standards to religion. We do not insist a priori that gods cannot exist, we instead turn to all those people who insist that they do, and ask, “how do you know that?”

  9. July 14, 2009

    a fool who has said in his heart that there is no God

    Ah, and the tactic of quoting the bible to people who don’t believe in its authority, also a curious one. I really think these people just can’t fathom that other people aren’t the same as they are. Quoting the bible to them would be a powerful argument – therefore quoting the bible to others would be a powerful argument.

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