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collapsing the waveform on quantum physics

2009 October 27

Recently, the editors at Discover thought it was a good idea to spice up an interview with Roger Penrose by using a loud, splashy title which states that the famous physicist thinks that the modern achievements in his discipline might as well be junked. However, as is often the case with articles that have loud, splashy titles, that’s not the conclusion that could be drawn from the content itself. Instead, Penrose is unhappy that many of the predictions about the quantum world and cosmology involving string theory and extra dimensions are not possible to test and seem to have no practical applications to today’s big problems. While you could disagree with his opinion, it’s pretty obvious that he’s not throwing his fellow physicists under the rhetorical bus here.

reaching out into space

As odd as it may seem, I can understand why the editors decided to pursue the manufactroversy route when they got wind of the fact that one of the biggest names in physics has doubts about cutting edge paradigms. When we consider a recent uptick in papers which try to challenge the ideas of dark energy or play around with the rules of general relativity to make more sense of some of the complex phenomena obscured by an amazingly dense flood of creative math, we could say that some academics are getting frustrated. The same goes for readers of popular science blogs who seem to have a visceral distaste for the “dark” terms. It’s not a problem that the universe is a complex beast. The big issue here is that some of the complexity raised by our theoretical work with quantum mechanics and cosmological ideas seems to be artificial. For example, we can try to count the number of identifiable universes in the cosmos but we have no way of proving they exist or how this has any bearing on real world cosmology.

Maybe this is the flip side of years of magazine articles on bleeding edge science based on giving a lot of very creative leeway with quotes from scientists still working on complex problems. By now, we’ve heard of almost everything from holographic universes, to theories about quantum mechanics that put our very existence into question and everything in between. Where’s the comprehensive framework for the universe? How does what happens in the quantum realm have any bearing on the macro world? And where have theoreticians taken a set of formulas too far and ended up with a set of predictions which make no sense and can’t be confirmed in any way, shape or form? How do we parse the applicable science from dead-end navel gazing? This is what Roger Penrose was asking in the interview and what a lot of us should be asking next time we see a bizarre paper suggesting a bizarre universal framework which seems to have no empirical application behind it.

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  1. reggie permalink
    October 29, 2009

    Sensation sells!

    :(

  2. Chris Carvell permalink
    November 29, 2009

    I agree that some people just extrapolate maths formulas, and assume there is some physical reality accessible to us where the formulas work, but these ideas may correspond to no physical reality, and we cannot test the ideas. Such worlds as the maths predict are worth hanging on to though, just like our early ideas about how atoms work are worth keeping for posterity. I agree with Penrose that we do not know what this ‘stuff’ is, of which our world is made and indeed why it exists, and we need some really new approaches in physics.

  3. john l. mccowen permalink
    July 15, 2010

    roger penrose said it himself …a thought has no substance… a thought from a brain …any brain… any flesh and blood brain as we know a brain …human or jelly fish it has no lingth , wideth, depth , weigth, heigth. it isnt long , short , round , square, flat,it does not see, hear or smell,however it has organs attached to thoughts that respond to the beck and call of a thought … do we have stored thought (memory) obveusly we store thoughts that are useful from birth and contunie to do so through life… yet they never weigh any thing at any tine or have any physical size… not before or after death can a thought be extracted from the brain…eletric devices can be attached to the brain both externaly and direct contact and get readings …these readings are said to be thoughts…they can`t be annilized under a microscope… from the very first cell formation …that its first function was to create a thought this would be an absolute must for the first cell to divide…and here we are with thoughts that have no substance !!!
    john l. mccowen
    fitzgerald, ga.

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