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	<title>Comments on: the micro black hole dilemma, revisited</title>
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		<title>By: gfish</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/11/16/the-micro-black-hole-dilemma-revisited/#comment-8017</link>
		<dc:creator>gfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;What is completely unscientific are when physicists give probabilities like &#039;one in a trillion&#039; of a stable strangelet destroying the Earth.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, that one in a trillion chance is the assumption that they&#039;re wrong about some of the key factors of the Standard Model which is so exhaustive, it covers all we know about the behavior and interaction of particles. 

The problem with the strangelet hypothesis is that it assumed that strange matter would create more strange matter and it would have a negative charge in massive collisions. But the LHC is not even powerful enough to recreate the energy of cosmic ray collisions, much less create the negatively charged strange matter which is not repelled by what we know as normal matter.

On top of that, we don&#039;t know if negative strange matter would actually convert normal matter so the ice-nine scenario is making two assumptions, one of which needs a much more powerful collider then we have on this planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;What is completely unscientific are when physicists give probabilities like &#8216;one in a trillion&#8217; of a stable strangelet destroying the Earth.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Actually, that one in a trillion chance is the assumption that they&#8217;re wrong about some of the key factors of the Standard Model which is so exhaustive, it covers all we know about the behavior and interaction of particles. </p>
<p>The problem with the strangelet hypothesis is that it assumed that strange matter would create more strange matter and it would have a negative charge in massive collisions. But the LHC is not even powerful enough to recreate the energy of cosmic ray collisions, much less create the negatively charged strange matter which is not repelled by what we know as normal matter.</p>
<p>On top of that, we don&#8217;t know if negative strange matter would actually convert normal matter so the ice-nine scenario is making two assumptions, one of which needs a much more powerful collider then we have on this planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Anissimov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Anissimov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No serious person thinks that the LHC might create a black hole and suck us all up.  But at least several non-crackpot physicists and philosophers have considered that a stable strangelet is a possibility.  

What is completely unscientific are when physicists give probabilities like &quot;one in a trillion&quot; of a stable strangelet destroying the Earth.  They are failing to take into account the prior probability that they are wrong due to unknown unknowns, which is a heck of a lot larger than one in a trillion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No serious person thinks that the LHC might create a black hole and suck us all up.  But at least several non-crackpot physicists and philosophers have considered that a stable strangelet is a possibility.  </p>
<p>What is completely unscientific are when physicists give probabilities like &#8220;one in a trillion&#8221; of a stable strangelet destroying the Earth.  They are failing to take into account the prior probability that they are wrong due to unknown unknowns, which is a heck of a lot larger than one in a trillion.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Varney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Varney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many out there who totally misunderstand science and physics, but seem to have won a publishing contract so they can promote their misunderstanding as truth.
At this point, the general public will have a much harder time thinking critically about the dangers of science.

For instance, this particular weirdo is publishing a sci-fi books on wormholes, totally raping the physics and physics history involved, and promoting the book via his blog. And his readers are lapping it up! Of course he is trying to promote Christianity from a physics standpoint... so you can see the futility in getting the guy to see reason.

http://stephentremp.blogspot.com/2009/11/emc2.html

But it is easy to see what scientists are up against. They spend their time doing science, while a larger number of people with much more time on their hands mis-represent science. Sometimes I pessimistically feel that scientists are facing a losing battle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many out there who totally misunderstand science and physics, but seem to have won a publishing contract so they can promote their misunderstanding as truth.<br />
At this point, the general public will have a much harder time thinking critically about the dangers of science.</p>
<p>For instance, this particular weirdo is publishing a sci-fi books on wormholes, totally raping the physics and physics history involved, and promoting the book via his blog. And his readers are lapping it up! Of course he is trying to promote Christianity from a physics standpoint&#8230; so you can see the futility in getting the guy to see reason.</p>
<p><a href="http://stephentremp.blogspot.com/2009/11/emc2.html" rel="nofollow">http://stephentremp.blogspot.com/2009/11/emc2.html</a></p>
<p>But it is easy to see what scientists are up against. They spend their time doing science, while a larger number of people with much more time on their hands mis-represent science. Sometimes I pessimistically feel that scientists are facing a losing battle.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be the solution to this paradox... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be the solution to this paradox&#8230; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox</a> :D</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just pointing something out here...

In one breath you say &quot;..or overturn much of what we know about quantum mechanics...&quot;. Then you state that mini black holes could not be created &quot;...unless we’re completely way off base about the quantum world...&quot;. So is it not possible if the LHC overturns much about what we know about quantum mechanics, this could mean we were &quot;way off base&quot; in our understanding of QM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just pointing something out here&#8230;</p>
<p>In one breath you say &#8220;..or overturn much of what we know about quantum mechanics&#8230;&#8221;. Then you state that mini black holes could not be created &#8220;&#8230;unless we’re completely way off base about the quantum world&#8230;&#8221;. So is it not possible if the LHC overturns much about what we know about quantum mechanics, this could mean we were &#8220;way off base&#8221; in our understanding of QM?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Dastardly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Dastardly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After seeing the (Fantasy Sci-Fi) movie 2012, I think that a mini-black hole would be an exciting way to end it all, so long as I don&#039;t die in the first couple of minutes. I would like about 30 minutes watching the world crumble around me...talk about an adrenalin rush. (LOL)
But then again, I am a senior citizen that has just about done it all and is certainly not afraid of biting the bullet. Of course this gloom and doom must really suck for the younger population.
I will not be loosing any sleep at all when they fire up the LHC since the only thing that will be generated, will be knowledge.  The end is not NEIGH; and the future is so bright that I have to wear shades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After seeing the (Fantasy Sci-Fi) movie 2012, I think that a mini-black hole would be an exciting way to end it all, so long as I don&#8217;t die in the first couple of minutes. I would like about 30 minutes watching the world crumble around me&#8230;talk about an adrenalin rush. (LOL)<br />
But then again, I am a senior citizen that has just about done it all and is certainly not afraid of biting the bullet. Of course this gloom and doom must really suck for the younger population.<br />
I will not be loosing any sleep at all when they fire up the LHC since the only thing that will be generated, will be knowledge.  The end is not NEIGH; and the future is so bright that I have to wear shades.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A black hole does not accrete until matter enters its event horizon.  Million solar mass black holes&#039; accretion is glacial because angular momentum is conserved.  Stuff does not &quot;fall in,&quot; it swirls around the drain and shoots out orthogonal to both sides of the accretion plane along the black hole&#039;s rotation axis. 

http://www.gumballs.com/vortex.html
http://www.funnelworks.com/

Any created nano-black hole will have gonzo &quot;rapidity.&quot;  It will be traveling at a goodly fraction of lightspeed in the lab frame.  Car crashes are messy with flung parts.  A drain hole smaller than the diameter of an atomic nucleus will be through the Earth and gone before it swallows anything.  The mean diameter of the Earth is 0.0425 light-seconds and its escape velocity a mere11.186 km/s.

 God save us from the congenitally inconsequential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A black hole does not accrete until matter enters its event horizon.  Million solar mass black holes&#8217; accretion is glacial because angular momentum is conserved.  Stuff does not &#8220;fall in,&#8221; it swirls around the drain and shoots out orthogonal to both sides of the accretion plane along the black hole&#8217;s rotation axis. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.gumballs.com/vortex.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gumballs.com/vortex.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.funnelworks.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.funnelworks.com/</a></p>
<p>Any created nano-black hole will have gonzo &#8220;rapidity.&#8221;  It will be traveling at a goodly fraction of lightspeed in the lab frame.  Car crashes are messy with flung parts.  A drain hole smaller than the diameter of an atomic nucleus will be through the Earth and gone before it swallows anything.  The mean diameter of the Earth is 0.0425 light-seconds and its escape velocity a mere11.186 km/s.</p>
<p> God save us from the congenitally inconsequential.</p>
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		<title>By: Loeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard something about a thing called strange matter that might come about by the operation of the LHC, and apparently is very dangerous, it turns everything else it touch&#039;s into strange matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard something about a thing called strange matter that might come about by the operation of the LHC, and apparently is very dangerous, it turns everything else it touch&#8217;s into strange matter.</p>
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