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		<title>By: dealing with the new generation of cranks &#171; weird things</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/11/28/homeopathic-physics-abuse-take-two/#comment-14325</link>
		<dc:creator>dealing with the new generation of cranks &#171; weird things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to their genius. And I&#8217;m supposed to fawn over people who can&#8217;t even do math or understand a basic physics concept, spitting out technobabble and mutilating the work of scientific greats just to end up tripping [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to their genius. And I&#8217;m supposed to fawn over people who can&#8217;t even do math or understand a basic physics concept, spitting out technobabble and mutilating the work of scientific greats just to end up tripping [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gfish</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/11/28/homeopathic-physics-abuse-take-two/#comment-11755</link>
		<dc:creator>gfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DeBaard. But of course, there&#039;s nothing like random anecdotal account on the web to convince us of the powers of homeopathy, especially when framed with absolutely no proofreading and in a long, rambling format.

&lt;i&gt;How do you explain the body reacting so fast. The poison could not have reached the brain within 20 seconds even not in a minute.&lt;/i&gt;

Poisons don&#039;t have to reach the brain to trigger the body&#039;s reaction. Your unidentified family member &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.emedicinehealth.com/severe_allergic_reaction_anaphylactic_shock/article_em.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;could go into full blown shock within seconds&lt;/a&gt; if she&#039;s as allergic to a wasp bite as you describe. The venom just needs to enter her body, period.

&lt;i&gt;Ok now what has happened after he gave her the first drops to have her body to get used to the poison again and have the brains relaxed again so she could move?&lt;/i&gt;

Ow. That attempt at an argument made &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; brain hurt. Many venoms don&#039;t even target the nervous system, i.e. aren&#039;t neurotoxins, so the idea of &quot;relaxing one&#039;s brain&quot; to get patients out of a coma caused by anaphylactic shock is absolutely ridiculous. Only a victim of a brain endema &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webmd.com/brain/brain-swelling-brain-edema-intracranial-pressure?page=3&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;would actually need to have brain swelling reduced&lt;/a&gt;. So, the entire premise you detailed here is wrong and you&#039;ve not provided any proof for what you&#039;re saying or any way to verify your story.

Patients in comas can get better on their own and even if your story is a truly accurate account, just a few minutes on WebMD could clear up the &quot;mysteries of medicine&quot; to which you refer and it&#039;s pretty obvious that you&#039;re guilty of confusing correlation with a plausible causation. Often times the two are very different things.

&lt;i&gt;Best regards, and keep your minds open. That will make it a better world.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m all for keeping my mind open. However, I don&#039;t want to have a mind so open that my brains fall out and land on the floor with a squishy noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DeBaard. But of course, there&#8217;s nothing like random anecdotal account on the web to convince us of the powers of homeopathy, especially when framed with absolutely no proofreading and in a long, rambling format.</p>
<p><i>How do you explain the body reacting so fast. The poison could not have reached the brain within 20 seconds even not in a minute.</i></p>
<p>Poisons don&#8217;t have to reach the brain to trigger the body&#8217;s reaction. Your unidentified family member <a href="http://www.emedicinehealth.com/severe_allergic_reaction_anaphylactic_shock/article_em.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">could go into full blown shock within seconds</a> if she&#8217;s as allergic to a wasp bite as you describe. The venom just needs to enter her body, period.</p>
<p><i>Ok now what has happened after he gave her the first drops to have her body to get used to the poison again and have the brains relaxed again so she could move?</i></p>
<p>Ow. That attempt at an argument made <i>my</i> brain hurt. Many venoms don&#8217;t even target the nervous system, i.e. aren&#8217;t neurotoxins, so the idea of &#8220;relaxing one&#8217;s brain&#8221; to get patients out of a coma caused by anaphylactic shock is absolutely ridiculous. Only a victim of a brain endema <a href="http://www.webmd.com/brain/brain-swelling-brain-edema-intracranial-pressure?page=3" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">would actually need to have brain swelling reduced</a>. So, the entire premise you detailed here is wrong and you&#8217;ve not provided any proof for what you&#8217;re saying or any way to verify your story.</p>
<p>Patients in comas can get better on their own and even if your story is a truly accurate account, just a few minutes on WebMD could clear up the &#8220;mysteries of medicine&#8221; to which you refer and it&#8217;s pretty obvious that you&#8217;re guilty of confusing correlation with a plausible causation. Often times the two are very different things.</p>
<p><i>Best regards, and keep your minds open. That will make it a better world.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for keeping my mind open. However, I don&#8217;t want to have a mind so open that my brains fall out and land on the floor with a squishy noise.</p>
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		<title>By: DeBaard</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/11/28/homeopathic-physics-abuse-take-two/#comment-11744</link>
		<dc:creator>DeBaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So dear non believers,


read this carefully befor you decide whether it is quack or not.  An family member of mine is now for 1 year in semi.coma  after the third wasp bite. (the first and second were 15 and 16 years ago)  

10 years before she was made immune by it through regular medics.  

So you would think no problem??  right.  NO  BIG Problems.   


Now comes the trick:   Within 20 seconds she fainted after the bite in her finger tip. After 1 minute she blew up like a ballon. Luckily the paramedics could push a pipe through her throat so she didn´t suffocate.

How do you explain the body reacting so fast.  The poison could not have reached the brain within 20 seconds even not in a minute .  So how was the response created ??  Not by the poison but by the signals given by the poison to the NERVES.  

Why did the body react is such a incredeble way?   the normal doctor couldn´t tell my uncle , He told him she was the third woman in existence surviving ther third wasp bite without dying although her hyper allergeic reaction to it  (They didn´´t even dare to do a test with diluted wasp poison to check or the immune cure from 10 years ago was still effective.)


Now she is in semi coma and the normal medical world doesn´t know what to except from pulling the plugs so she would die.


Now my uncle has been treating her with, yes homeopathic  diluted wasp BEE poison  as this is less poisoneous .  You people say there is nothing in it right??  Right it is so diluted that not a single molecul is in it  Right??  Right.   OK  now what has happened after he gave her the first drops to have her body to get used to the poison again and have the brains relaxed again so she could move again????

Nothing???  There is no molecul in there right??  right there isn´t.

1 second after giving only one drop she started vomiting and grew like a balloon .  But not so severe as with the real wasp bite.


OK  could be placebo effect.

Right

Now the second time with this so called nothing water

Guess what happened??

Right  vomiting again and ballooning but not so sever anymore.


Could be placebo huh??  OK  but how is this placebo effect achieved with somene in coma???


Tell me.

Now she is so far after 1 year that she is able to speak some words again and talk with her eyes.  1 blink is yes ,2 is no, and 3 blinks is yes please.As the talking is to exhausting.

And on command of the care taking people she can relax her whole body for a couple of minutes and is then dressed or washed.  The she flips into feetus  holding (like an unborn baby)


Normal medicine cannot explain this . She should have been dead 1 year ago.  

Now i will not come back on this and please call me liar etc.  But how can 1 drop of nothing make her react like she is stung by a real wasp.  

Think before you judge about something you have no experience with  nor underwenth it.



Best regards  ,

and keep your minds open.  That will make it a better world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So dear non believers,</p>
<p>read this carefully befor you decide whether it is quack or not.  An family member of mine is now for 1 year in semi.coma  after the third wasp bite. (the first and second were 15 and 16 years ago)  </p>
<p>10 years before she was made immune by it through regular medics.  </p>
<p>So you would think no problem??  right.  NO  BIG Problems.   </p>
<p>Now comes the trick:   Within 20 seconds she fainted after the bite in her finger tip. After 1 minute she blew up like a ballon. Luckily the paramedics could push a pipe through her throat so she didn´t suffocate.</p>
<p>How do you explain the body reacting so fast.  The poison could not have reached the brain within 20 seconds even not in a minute .  So how was the response created ??  Not by the poison but by the signals given by the poison to the NERVES.  </p>
<p>Why did the body react is such a incredeble way?   the normal doctor couldn´t tell my uncle , He told him she was the third woman in existence surviving ther third wasp bite without dying although her hyper allergeic reaction to it  (They didn´´t even dare to do a test with diluted wasp poison to check or the immune cure from 10 years ago was still effective.)</p>
<p>Now she is in semi coma and the normal medical world doesn´t know what to except from pulling the plugs so she would die.</p>
<p>Now my uncle has been treating her with, yes homeopathic  diluted wasp BEE poison  as this is less poisoneous .  You people say there is nothing in it right??  Right it is so diluted that not a single molecul is in it  Right??  Right.   OK  now what has happened after he gave her the first drops to have her body to get used to the poison again and have the brains relaxed again so she could move again????</p>
<p>Nothing???  There is no molecul in there right??  right there isn´t.</p>
<p>1 second after giving only one drop she started vomiting and grew like a balloon .  But not so severe as with the real wasp bite.</p>
<p>OK  could be placebo effect.</p>
<p>Right</p>
<p>Now the second time with this so called nothing water</p>
<p>Guess what happened??</p>
<p>Right  vomiting again and ballooning but not so sever anymore.</p>
<p>Could be placebo huh??  OK  but how is this placebo effect achieved with somene in coma???</p>
<p>Tell me.</p>
<p>Now she is so far after 1 year that she is able to speak some words again and talk with her eyes.  1 blink is yes ,2 is no, and 3 blinks is yes please.As the talking is to exhausting.</p>
<p>And on command of the care taking people she can relax her whole body for a couple of minutes and is then dressed or washed.  The she flips into feetus  holding (like an unborn baby)</p>
<p>Normal medicine cannot explain this . She should have been dead 1 year ago.  </p>
<p>Now i will not come back on this and please call me liar etc.  But how can 1 drop of nothing make her react like she is stung by a real wasp.  </p>
<p>Think before you judge about something you have no experience with  nor underwenth it.</p>
<p>Best regards  ,</p>
<p>and keep your minds open.  That will make it a better world.</p>
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		<title>By: gfish</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/11/28/homeopathic-physics-abuse-take-two/#comment-10393</link>
		<dc:creator>gfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 03:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Sadly, I was expecting a point by point dismantling of the theories using citations of solid science.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s exactly what I did. It&#039;s just that I didn&#039;t think it was necessary to cite references to very basic middle school science. Concepts like radiation and energy shouldn&#039;t require a big list of citations. Really.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;...a less insulting and dismissive approach must be taken, one that draws them in with demonstration of the mechanical failures of the claims&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

So pointing out that how Dr. Benneth described the inner workings of homeopathy will either make a toxic stew that will give you cancer, or just make hot water doesn&#039;t fall into the category of demonstrating the mechanical failures of his claims?

&lt;i&gt;&quot;If your goal is to simply preach to the choir and earn your silver from the ad-revenue that it generates...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

My goal is to challenge people&#039;s ideas, and when those ideas are being used to justify making money from exploiting others with technobabble and quackery, I don&#039;t think I have to be sensitivity and politeness incarnate. Also, as of right now, this blog doesn&#039;t have any ads so it&#039;s hard to see how I&#039;d make money from something that isn&#039;t there yet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Sadly, I was expecting a point by point dismantling of the theories using citations of solid science.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly what I did. It&#8217;s just that I didn&#8217;t think it was necessary to cite references to very basic middle school science. Concepts like radiation and energy shouldn&#8217;t require a big list of citations. Really.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;a less insulting and dismissive approach must be taken, one that draws them in with demonstration of the mechanical failures of the claims&#8221;</i></p>
<p>So pointing out that how Dr. Benneth described the inner workings of homeopathy will either make a toxic stew that will give you cancer, or just make hot water doesn&#8217;t fall into the category of demonstrating the mechanical failures of his claims?</p>
<p><i>&#8220;If your goal is to simply preach to the choir and earn your silver from the ad-revenue that it generates&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>My goal is to challenge people&#8217;s ideas, and when those ideas are being used to justify making money from exploiting others with technobabble and quackery, I don&#8217;t think I have to be sensitivity and politeness incarnate. Also, as of right now, this blog doesn&#8217;t have any ads so it&#8217;s hard to see how I&#8217;d make money from something that isn&#8217;t there yet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: iiss</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/11/28/homeopathic-physics-abuse-take-two/#comment-10384</link>
		<dc:creator>iiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adamant - you suggest a point-by-point dissection, but really, it&#039;s just a string of nonsense words.  How can you make a counter argument to an assertion which, really, is just &quot;blah blah blah -fancyword- blah blah blah -fancyword-&quot; ?

Isn&#039;t the best cure for nonsense ridicule?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>adamant &#8211; you suggest a point-by-point dissection, but really, it&#8217;s just a string of nonsense words.  How can you make a counter argument to an assertion which, really, is just &#8220;blah blah blah -fancyword- blah blah blah -fancyword-&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the best cure for nonsense ridicule?</p>
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		<title>By: adamant</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/11/28/homeopathic-physics-abuse-take-two/#comment-10353</link>
		<dc:creator>adamant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I was expecting a point by point dismantling of the theories using citations of solid science.  As it stands, you are no better than they, crying foul but offering no methodical process to review. 

You, like they, are preaching to your choir with no capacity to reach out and convert the undecided folk seeking healthy solutions. Belligerent ad hominem will only serve to entrench those inclined to homeopathy, effectively painting you as the evil little tyrant of science who offers no actual science, but insults on their notables and by transference, themselves.

If your goal truly is to educate the undecided and influence the believers of homeopathy, then a less insulting and dismissive approach must be taken, one that draws them in with demonstration of the mechanical failures of the claims, not using vague generalizations, but systematic methods.

If your goal is to simply preach to the choir and earn your silver from the ad-revenue that it generates, please, stay the course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I was expecting a point by point dismantling of the theories using citations of solid science.  As it stands, you are no better than they, crying foul but offering no methodical process to review. </p>
<p>You, like they, are preaching to your choir with no capacity to reach out and convert the undecided folk seeking healthy solutions. Belligerent ad hominem will only serve to entrench those inclined to homeopathy, effectively painting you as the evil little tyrant of science who offers no actual science, but insults on their notables and by transference, themselves.</p>
<p>If your goal truly is to educate the undecided and influence the believers of homeopathy, then a less insulting and dismissive approach must be taken, one that draws them in with demonstration of the mechanical failures of the claims, not using vague generalizations, but systematic methods.</p>
<p>If your goal is to simply preach to the choir and earn your silver from the ad-revenue that it generates, please, stay the course.</p>
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		<title>By: Abber</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/11/28/homeopathic-physics-abuse-take-two/#comment-8358</link>
		<dc:creator>Abber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice another buzz word here: nanobubbles. String theory and quantum fields are apparently passé, but nano is definitely in this season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice another buzz word here: nanobubbles. String theory and quantum fields are apparently passé, but nano is definitely in this season.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Al</title>
		<link>http://worldofweirdthings.com/2009/11/28/homeopathic-physics-abuse-take-two/#comment-8291</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 20:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It only works if you believe.  If it still doesn&#039;t work it is a test of faith.  God herself offers no greater promise.  All traditional medicine can offer is empirical procedure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It only works if you believe.  If it still doesn&#8217;t work it is a test of faith.  God herself offers no greater promise.  All traditional medicine can offer is empirical procedure.</p>
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